same size. so that competition again will get harder. >> well, that's a good point. also, if you look at -- if it's a bifurcated spending environment, maybe you look at big data, cyber security, cloud, some of those areas growing 40%, 50% where oracle is playing, it continues to be a tough climb, it's hard to get budget dollars. and that speaks to what oracle, you know, talked about last night. but you're seeing it reflected in the guidance that, you know, there could be brighter days ahead, but it's definitely going to be a tough new quarter to kind of get back there. >> are you confident in the product cycle? >> i am. i mean, look, over the last decade, it's been hard to bet against oracle. they continue to reinvent themselves. i think some more acquisitions could be down the road. this move to the cloud is definitely what they need to do. they've done a good job hiring.